Oh okay can you please send a link on my userpage on Anonymous wiki & also please remember to sign your name always when leaving a message on my talk page☎📝PatrickCunningham (talk) 17:24, September 6, 2015 (UTC)😀😁😂
Why was the Unlocking the Overworld Helm and the Basic Hats (or How to unlock hats ) pages deleted? If it was because of copyright issies, which i'm guessing it was, then I would just like some comfirmation, if not, then why? Just wondering as I put quite a bit of work into them. :/
The How to unlock hats page isn't the same, and that was the main one that I was concerned about, unless you can get it back to it's original state, then I see no use to the Unlocking the Overworld Helm page, as it was just an extra page to make the original one shorter, and look nicer. it was never meant to be a stand-alone page, but a add-on to the How to unlock hats page.
Like I said, if you can't get it back to the original state, then feel free to delete the Overworld Helm page, and obviously the How to unlock hats page too.
I have a candidate to be admin, this person has done more than me and you so i thought they might be a good admin, although looking over there contributions it seems that what he did mostly was add a bit of information, reword things and delete things, that being said there are a few large contributions here and there. What are your thoughts?
Honestly I am not sure. There is another wiki magicitedia.com but be careful how you use content from there wiki (basiclly, copy and pasting is frond upon). I hope that inspires you. Maybe you could jazz up some pages with epic html.
the official wiki is hosted by an official magicite forum admin. as a result we are in charge of all aspects of the environment. it isn't like wikia, extremely limited and with advertisements. we are pretty much free to represent magicite anyway we want. we are actually in the process of designing a matchmaking system... and other tools to aid players. we can't do that on wikia.
a more flexible choice is to use an actual web hosting environment. we can redirect from here to the official wiki and give all the contributors here all the credit they deserve. that way everybody is recognized for their efforts and still feels good about what they did. it makes little sense to distribute all the effort onto two wikis when it could be concentrated into one official place and serve the player much better and with more flexibility than wikia provides.
about the licensing; you are not citing the source and authors (up to five) for each thing you took. that includes descriptions, pictures. layouts, banners from kickstarter (which are actually copyrighted) etc. you have to cite every single one where it appears. we do not release you from this requirement. feel free to reference the GNU Free Documentation License, that our entire wiki is posted under: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html . i'm pretty patient and am willing to give you a reasonable amount of time to cite everything properly. if i don't hear back from you i will eventually submit a take-down notice to wikia and their host for GNU licensing violations.
the way you included the archived revision history is not acceptable. you are citing the soruce like they are users on your site. you have to reference the original source and original author's talk page. you HAVE to state this information on the title page (of each item and instance you borrowed), not hide it in the revision history with broken links to users that don't exist on your site like a bunch of ghosts added all your content.
i see the edit you made to my user page, but that isn't enough. you need to read the GNUFDL. you have to add it to the title page of what you took, not bury it in the revision history then further bury it in my talk page. you also have to accurately represent ALL editors, all edits (all revision history) etc. on each thing you took. you can't just make a one line edit to my talk page and act like that is enough. it is a lot of work you will have to go through.
there is a link at the bottom of every page for GNU 1.3 liscensing that applies to everything on our wiki. this information is conveyed on every page you visit. it isn't our fault you didn't take the time to verify the liscensing of the information you took.
you may want to have a conversation with them about that. as you have ripped an entire official wiki without adhearing to the GNUFDL agreement it is posted under. that means that i can submit a take-down request to wikia (who really cares about GNUFDL) and their host to get the information removed if you do not comply. like i said i am patient... but i am not sure you are willing to go through and edit the 100's of things you have taken to accurately represent where they came from.
there is no negotiation. you have to adhear to the GNUFDL or i will continue with further action. this is not about good faith. it is about adhearing to a specific liscense agreement. it is very clear and i recommend you go read it for yourself. you could of handled this way differently but you completely ripped the entire site before any resolution could be reached.
edit: you also didn't ask us if any changes you made to what you took was OK... which is part of the GNUFDL. like i said, you need to read this.
Please, tell me EXACTLY what you want done (after reading the GNUFDL I am not exactly sure what would be okay)
I used the Export feature on your wiki which exported everything I thought was needed and then imported it which I thought made everything okay.
I think I could use the exported files to retrace what pages I imported and then create a program to modify them to include links and some kind of message and even figure out what users made imported changes.
Your website has no forms (I think the steam community is the closest thing your wiki has), so I came to you, the top editor to try and combine our efforts and all that.
I am willing to put in the needed ok to make anything right. I don't want this to turn into a big mess.
I "ripped" pages from your wiki because it is very easy to export then import pages and I didn't want to make a any changes as I assumed I'd have to import the pages again after you further improved them.
I don't want two wikis and thats why I felt this would be the best way to mitigate that fact.
Please try to ok with me on this.
If the Steam Community is considered the "forms" then I would like to get there consensus as to what it would take to resolve this issue
this is a tricky situation for you workload wise (not just you, anybody who wants to edit our work). you are going to have to get approval from us for every change you make to our work; otherwise you can't make the change. that means all the content you took from us has to stay exactly the same; unless we give you permission to update it. it is our work after all under the GNUFDL.
you can delete it and start over with your own unique pages/layout/images of course. but if you want to use our work and adhear to the GNUFDL you will have to go through that process before updating anything we originally did. it has to be COMPLETELY ORIGINAL to what it is on our site, or it is in violation.
you also have to, on every single page/picture/layout/etc. you took, cite the original author (link), editors (link, up to five) and link to the original source. that means you are going to edit 100's of item descriptions, pictures etc. obviously the import/export feature only gets the version history creation line. so you have to go through each item, transpose the revision history to your site (on the title page of each item/picture/layout/etc., not history/talk page) as well as well seeking approval from editors/authors to modify these elements we created in anyway.
the situation you caused is way more trouble than focusing our efforts on a more versitile platform on the official wiki. you may think you are doing magicite a service but you are over-complicating the situation drastically by copying so many things assuming they weren't under any sort of liscense.
i would recommend being very sure. this is your crew's responsability. i have told you plenty to help yourself. it is not my responsability to step you through this process. if you cannot handle it you should not of copied so much liscensed information.
you have to add the necessary GNUFDL information to each page you took. that is what everybody sees when they click "Wood" or "Wooden Plank". you cannot bury it in the revision history or a talk page. the source and original authors/editors (links, up to 5) have to be readily apparent on the face of the work you borrow.
edit: you are correct. you also have to include the entire history of the document before you took it. that can be done on the revision history tab.
thanks for agreeing to abide by the terms of the GNU. i will check to see if you did it right... probably all of the official contributors will.
why can't you concentrate the effort on the OFFICIAL wiki? you keep talking about convincing everyone; but now say you are alone? really seems like you are just being stubborn to try to take credit for being in charge here. you could easily redirect to the official wiki. you know... i'm not in charge of anything and tons of people recognize my contributions. i had to go to the community in order to determine how to handle this matter.
you really aren't doing anybody any favors by copying our site. you are actually hurting the game by detracting 200k views per week from the official site. we are designing a ton of backend systems for the official wiki to integrate with the game. you can't do that on wikia. why wouldn't you want to be part of that? why would you divert that many active users awawy from this? you are over here spending hours and hours making redundant information... when there is so much more to be done. you are obviously relaly good with this stuff and could really help the game by centralizing our efforts. everybody agrees i have spoken with in the community.
need i reiterate the terms of the GNUFDL again? you have to ask us for permission to edit anything you took from us. you can't change any of it. it has to remain AS-IS. that means till we edit it, you can't change any of what you took until we do. then you have to update all the citations and stuff too. do you really want to get credit for copying everything we did and doing busy work like that? and wait for us to make any changes to have any new content on the pages you took? if not, would you really want to delete everything... start over and waste all that energy when you could be helping us in the official area? we play nice!!! we don't bite!!! :D
edit: i noticed you aren't using the same images in our layout... that is not how we originally made it. you have to use all our original images and give us credit for it as well. we do not give you permission to use your stock thumbnails instead of our's with our layout or item descriptions. that means you have to get all the images, action shots and everything from our site and give us credit for each one of those in their description linking to us. it has to be exactly the same as on our wiki, or you cannot use the pages per the GNUFDL.
I have spent my whole morning dealing with this, I think thats enough for now.
From what I know there are currently no other big editors largely active (I would need to check to be sure) I am just trying to ensure that 200k views are not on garbage pages and not to have people waste here time on trying to fix them.
I o not looking at the recent changes and seeing all the edits that will be deleted and all the hard work wasted.
I had planned on editing the official wiki and was going to export any content we had that you did not. Unfortunately, I had to spend my morning here dealing with this.
I am more then willing to get your wiki's community permission to share content (with or without conditions) and am currently attempting to do so.
you don't need to duplicate information and go through all this work... and work on our site as well. it really isn't worth it. why can't you redirect to the official wiki? it is futile to have a inferrior mirror that is less connected with the game and has less contributors.
i'm saying this again because you refuse to acknowledge it.
"need i reiterate the terms of the GNUFDL again? you have to ask us for permission to edit anything you took from us. you can't change any of it. it has to remain AS-IS. that means till we edit it, you can't change any of what you took until we do. then you have to update all the citations and stuff too. do you really want to get credit for copying everything we did and doing busy work like that? and wait for us to make any changes to have any new content on the pages you took? if not, would you really want to delete everything... start over and waste all that energy when you could be helping us in the official area? we play nice!!! we don't bite!!! :D
edit: i noticed you aren't using the same images in our layout... that is not how we originally made it. you have to use all our original images and give us credit for it as well. we do not give you permission to use your stock thumbnails instead of our's with our layout or item descriptions. that means you have to get all the images, action shots and everything from our site and give us credit for each one of those in their description linking to us. it has to be exactly the same as on our wiki, or you cannot use the pages per the GNUFDL."
Edits are allowed as long as the history of changes is record
Also, I do not want to use your pictures as I have no idea how you obtained them and do not want more copyright issues (how the current pictures are uploaded is not my issue). The document itself has the same text reguardless of what the actual picture is.
yes they are allowed, but you have to keep a transparent copy of the original document for the public to see on the title page. i mentioned this to emphasize the trouble you have to go through; not that you couldn't add new stuff. so everytime we update it and you want it to be current, or you make a change, you have to keep referencing these copies in an increasingly long citation list on every single page we change. which is going to be a ton... or you can just keep the old stuff. see what i mean?
there are no copyright issues. Sean gave us permission, on the official forums, to use any screenshots from the game on the wiki. you have to put all those changes in citations on the title page. that means every picture you used that is different than our layouts gets an entry as a modification. i think there are 100+ different pictures that you have to account for. like you said... you have to cite ALL edits you make to the original. otherwise you can't use the page. i'm pretty tired and trying to give you tons of info.... you know you basically made me do this all for you in figuring it out? :\
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